Help/advice - EH Scott Radio Enthusiasts2024-03-28T16:24:58Zhttps://ehscott.ning.com/forum/topics/help-advice?feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks so much for the info f…tag:ehscott.ning.com,2019-01-09:3925821:Comment:692872019-01-09T02:28:00.982ZForrest Wagnerhttps://ehscott.ning.com/profile/ForrestWagner
Thanks so much for the info folks. Much appreciated. I know there is a lot that goes into restoring one of these and I am not worried about investing $500 plus into it. I’m sure that many of you folks have a 100+ hours in some of your radios. It is a labor of love. I have to determine if I will actually use the radio or if it would be better to have it in the hands of someone who really loves these things. I am at a point where I am trying to downsize on things. While the thing looks freaking…
Thanks so much for the info folks. Much appreciated. I know there is a lot that goes into restoring one of these and I am not worried about investing $500 plus into it. I’m sure that many of you folks have a 100+ hours in some of your radios. It is a labor of love. I have to determine if I will actually use the radio or if it would be better to have it in the hands of someone who really loves these things. I am at a point where I am trying to downsize on things. While the thing looks freaking cool as hell, at a certain point I have to determine how much “stuff” I really want and can keep. That is really the decision I need to make. Believe it or not I have about a dozen other tabletop radios my father had that I really like (repwood models such as Mickey Mouse, Snow White, Crosley s, RCA models, etc. I just have to determine what I can keep. I may in fact look to sell this scott so I may be back in touch in a month or two. The speaker, by the way, will need to be re-comed as it is deteriorating along the outer edge. There is no wood plate that was mentioned or escutcheons and I do not believe all the knobs are there but most were. In the models I looked at, I did not see a wood plate, but rather a plastic trim ring that covered the gap between the glass and the wood cabinet. This is missing, but as I am sure you know, these are reproduced. Thanks again. I will be back in touch but if someone is interested in the unit feel free to call me at 847-254-9546. Forrest Wagner Your Phantom is not an FM mod…tag:ehscott.ning.com,2019-01-09:3925821:Comment:695762019-01-09T01:44:47.761ZDavid C. Polandhttps://ehscott.ning.com/profile/DavidCPoland
<p>Your Phantom is not an FM model. The FM Phantom of 1940 and 1941 has the obsolete pre-war FM band as a 5th band from 41 to 50 MC but can not receive the modern/post war frequencies of 88 to 107 MC. The FM Phantom model is wider with an additional 8 tubes and <span style="text-decoration: underline;">two</span> magic eye tuning indicators.</p>
<p>Yours is non-the-less a desirable Scott radio, in part because the chrome is pretty good and you have all the tube covers, the knobs, the amp and…</p>
<p>Your Phantom is not an FM model. The FM Phantom of 1940 and 1941 has the obsolete pre-war FM band as a 5th band from 41 to 50 MC but can not receive the modern/post war frequencies of 88 to 107 MC. The FM Phantom model is wider with an additional 8 tubes and <span style="text-decoration: underline;">two</span> magic eye tuning indicators.</p>
<p>Yours is non-the-less a desirable Scott radio, in part because the chrome is pretty good and you have all the tube covers, the knobs, the amp and speaker. Should be restorable to a working example. You have not mentioned if you have a wood panel with dial cover and the 6 bronze control escutcheons.</p>
<p>If you decide to sill it, start with a new topic on this Scott Enthusiasts site. Add a photo of the speaker and knob set.</p> Radio repair shops are histor…tag:ehscott.ning.com,2019-01-09:3925821:Comment:694782019-01-09T01:28:09.381ZDavid C. Polandhttps://ehscott.ning.com/profile/DavidCPoland
<p>Radio repair shops are history. Today, the knowledge mostly resides in hobbyists who collect vintage radios, but of them, only some have learned to restore old radios. Of those, fewer have the where with all to address a sophisticated high tube count radio like a Scott and are willing to for others. </p>
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<p>Radio repair shops are history. Today, the knowledge mostly resides in hobbyists who collect vintage radios, but of them, only some have learned to restore old radios. Of those, fewer have the where with all to address a sophisticated high tube count radio like a Scott and are willing to for others. </p>
<p></p> The high cost to restore it e…tag:ehscott.ning.com,2019-01-09:3925821:Comment:693792019-01-09T00:49:36.703ZDavid C. Polandhttps://ehscott.ning.com/profile/DavidCPoland
<p>The high cost to restore it electrically is because mere repair to get it working is inadequate. Scotts were rugged and designed to survive shipment overseas. But your radio is 80 years old. The 30 to 40 capacitors and filter capacitors are way past their deign life, and any not leaking or shorted already are subject to sudden failure which may lead to burned out resistors, and hard to locate coils and transformer replacements. A full electrical restoration includes replacing them with…</p>
<p>The high cost to restore it electrically is because mere repair to get it working is inadequate. Scotts were rugged and designed to survive shipment overseas. But your radio is 80 years old. The 30 to 40 capacitors and filter capacitors are way past their deign life, and any not leaking or shorted already are subject to sudden failure which may lead to burned out resistors, and hard to locate coils and transformer replacements. A full electrical restoration includes replacing them with modern capacitors which use film technology and are far more reliable than the 1930's version were when new. There may be other parts to repair or replace, like a coil, transformer or perhaps one of the two field coils in your speaker. Controls my need cleaned and lubed, the alignment probably needs touched up, a new power cord likely, and so on.</p>
<p>The Phantom is a high quality radio, way more complicated and feature laden than the typical 5 to 9 tube radio of the era. Restored it is reliable, impressive radio and with an FM tuner or CD player into the Phantom's phono input yields impressive sound. A Scott cabinet may be difficult to find, but a Phantom can be retrofitted into another good quality radio cabinet as I have done. </p>
<p>Consider - Inherited, you have zero cost so far in a Scott radio with good chrome plate. Several hundred invested in restoration should cost less than buying one complete and fully restored. Some folks would put the speaker in an enclosure made for a 12 inch speaker and display the amp and receiver on a shelf as eye candy display like 1950's component hi fi. A Scott was the McIntosh of the 1930's.</p> There are a few guys around w…tag:ehscott.ning.com,2019-01-08:3925821:Comment:693762019-01-08T23:33:16.997ZScott Seickelhttps://ehscott.ning.com/profile/ScottSeickel
<p>There are a few guys around who will restore these, but you should expect to pay $500 or more for a complete restoration and alignment including parts. You will have to deal with proper packing and shipping if the person doing the restoration is not local to you. I can give you a name if you message me. </p>
<p>As for a cabinet, they occasionally turn up empty on E-bay, but honestly, it could take you years of stalking E-bay to get one, then you have to deal with the shipping if it is not…</p>
<p>There are a few guys around who will restore these, but you should expect to pay $500 or more for a complete restoration and alignment including parts. You will have to deal with proper packing and shipping if the person doing the restoration is not local to you. I can give you a name if you message me. </p>
<p>As for a cabinet, they occasionally turn up empty on E-bay, but honestly, it could take you years of stalking E-bay to get one, then you have to deal with the shipping if it is not local. </p>
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<p>Regarding your question about desirability in it's current condition, it certainly is desirable to collectors. The market for EH Scott items is always a roller coaster ride, but I would expect to get up to $600 on E-bay between the speaker, power supply and tuner chassis. (that is if the speaker cone is not ripped). Most sellers list them separately on E-bay. </p>
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<p><br/> <br/> <cite>Forrest Wagner said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://ehscott.ning.com/forum/topics/help-advice?page=1&commentId=3925821%3AComment%3A69477&x=1#3925821Comment69477"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Thanks for the information. It is much appreciated. Because the amp is not a real match for the tuner, does that mean this is not desirable? Or, does that not really matter? And, can you or anyone else answer some of the questions I posted in my first message? Are there folks who can repair these? Can anyone provide a name of folks who do repair these and quite a range of what it might cost? I am trying to determine if I want to put the money into bringing this back to life. And if I don’t want to do that, is this in a condition where someone else might want it?<br/> <br/> Thanks much for the time.<br/> <br/> Sincerely,<br/> <br/> Forrest</div>
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</blockquote> Thanks for the information. I…tag:ehscott.ning.com,2019-01-08:3925821:Comment:694772019-01-08T22:45:07.142ZForrest Wagnerhttps://ehscott.ning.com/profile/ForrestWagner
Thanks for the information. It is much appreciated. Because the amp is not a real match for the tuner, does that mean this is not desirable? Or, does that not really matter? And, can you or anyone else answer some of the questions I posted in my first message? Are there folks who can repair these? Can anyone provide a name of folks who do repair these and quite a range of what it might cost? I am trying to determine if I want to put the money into bringing this back to life. And if I don’t want…
Thanks for the information. It is much appreciated. Because the amp is not a real match for the tuner, does that mean this is not desirable? Or, does that not really matter? And, can you or anyone else answer some of the questions I posted in my first message? Are there folks who can repair these? Can anyone provide a name of folks who do repair these and quite a range of what it might cost? I am trying to determine if I want to put the money into bringing this back to life. And if I don’t want to do that, is this in a condition where someone else might want it?<br />
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Thanks much for the time.<br />
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Sincerely,<br />
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Forrest The Scott PHANTOM was first i…tag:ehscott.ning.com,2019-01-08:3925821:Comment:695752019-01-08T22:27:30.481ZDavid C. Polandhttps://ehscott.ning.com/profile/DavidCPoland
<p>The Scott PHANTOM was first introduced September 1938 as a 19 tube radio with 6 controls plus dual speed dial control and your design power supply/amp and 12 inch speaker. Amp rated at 16 watt output. Broadcast AM band and 3 short wave bands topping out at .</p>
<p>You appear to have the 2nd version Phantom receiver of 1940: the 20 tube Phantom Deluxe first introduced August 1939 having 1) an additional control below the tuning dial and 2) an additional tube - a VR-150 voltage regulator to…</p>
<p>The Scott PHANTOM was first introduced September 1938 as a 19 tube radio with 6 controls plus dual speed dial control and your design power supply/amp and 12 inch speaker. Amp rated at 16 watt output. Broadcast AM band and 3 short wave bands topping out at .</p>
<p>You appear to have the 2nd version Phantom receiver of 1940: the 20 tube Phantom Deluxe first introduced August 1939 having 1) an additional control below the tuning dial and 2) an additional tube - a VR-150 voltage regulator to better stabilize the oscillator tube and, for 1940, the logging scale was added. Also a redesigned power supply/amp rated at 25 watt output with two each of 6J5, 6L6 and 5U4.and initially a 15 inch speaker (later in 1940, a 12 inch as the standard speaker or the optional 4 unit high fidelity speaker system).</p>
<p>Your power supply/amp is the version for the earlier 19 tube Phantom (two each of 6J5, 6V6 and 5V4 rectifier per the Scott news issues). And so is your earlier 12 inch speaker with it's octal speaker plug.</p>
<p>So - I wonder if your receiver went back to the Scott factory for a repair and was updated with some current features (the dial, voltage regulator tube, and added control). Or perhaps Scott Laboratories simply returned a current production receiver (which would be comparable with the early version amp and speaker). No way to tell now.</p>
<p>To get oriented with the Phantom and features, there are a couple issues of Scott News featuring the Phantom you might look through. From the home page top right, In the Archives section, then click on Scott News folder.: </p>
<p>1938 Vol 11 No 4 (SN-9-38) - cover photo and article starting page 4. - introducing the 19 tube Phantom..</p>
<p> Unfortunately the page 4 photo shows a phototype receiver, but the cover photo is correct.</p>
<p>1939. Vol 11 No 5 (SN -5-39). - page 2 and page 4-onward. - introducing the 20 tube Phantom Deluxe.</p>
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<p>Then back out of the "Scott News" folder and choose "Set Folders" and open "Phantom.</p>
<p>Select the <span style="text-decoration: underline;">last two</span> Phantom Instruction manuals - one is for the Phantom and the other Phantom Deluxe.</p>
<p>(Ignore the top row instruction manuals as they are for the 28 tube FM model.)</p>
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<p></p> I checked on the back of the…tag:ehscott.ning.com,2019-01-08:3925821:Comment:692862019-01-08T14:15:46.391ZForrest Wagnerhttps://ehscott.ning.com/profile/ForrestWagner
<p>I checked on the back of the amp and it does have an 8 pin female socket for the speaker. The male connector pins on the 2 cords coming off the tuner do match up with the female sockets on the back of the amp. I did find a picture of another Phantom Deluxe amp and see that it has a 7 pin female connector. Not sure what all this tells you.</p>
<p>I checked on the back of the amp and it does have an 8 pin female socket for the speaker. The male connector pins on the 2 cords coming off the tuner do match up with the female sockets on the back of the amp. I did find a picture of another Phantom Deluxe amp and see that it has a 7 pin female connector. Not sure what all this tells you.</p> Thanks for replying! The spe…tag:ehscott.ning.com,2019-01-08:3925821:Comment:692852019-01-08T12:13:59.989ZForrest Wagnerhttps://ehscott.ning.com/profile/ForrestWagner
<p>Thanks for replying! The speaker is 12" and it has 8 metal pins on the socket centered around a larger plastic "pin". The speaker has model 302 on it and it does say Scott on the metal plate. Not sure if I should check something on the amp?</p>
<p>Thanks for replying! The speaker is 12" and it has 8 metal pins on the socket centered around a larger plastic "pin". The speaker has model 302 on it and it does say Scott on the metal plate. Not sure if I should check something on the amp?</p> The chrome looks pretty good…tag:ehscott.ning.com,2019-01-08:3925821:Comment:695742019-01-08T03:36:50.101ZDavid C. Polandhttps://ehscott.ning.com/profile/DavidCPoland
<p>The chrome looks pretty good and all the tube shields are there.</p>
<p>Did not expect to see that amp with that Phantom Deluxe receiver. The logging scale on the dial indicates a 1940 or 1941 Phantom Deluxe model, or very late 1939. That amp pictured has the configuration of the 1938-9 Phantom amp with the <span style="text-decoration: underline;">two 6J5's on the left end</span> and two 6V6 output tubes in the middle. The amp I expected has the two 6J5's next to a pair of 6L6's in the…</p>
<p>The chrome looks pretty good and all the tube shields are there.</p>
<p>Did not expect to see that amp with that Phantom Deluxe receiver. The logging scale on the dial indicates a 1940 or 1941 Phantom Deluxe model, or very late 1939. That amp pictured has the configuration of the 1938-9 Phantom amp with the <span style="text-decoration: underline;">two 6J5's on the left end</span> and two 6V6 output tubes in the middle. The amp I expected has the two 6J5's next to a pair of 6L6's in the middle and two 5U4's rectifiers by the big transformer.</p>
<p>Unless ... the middle pair are 6L6's and the tube sockets are embossed with 6L6 around the edges. If so, maybe Scott used up an old style amp base in inventory. Or the radio went back to the factory and Scott put the new style dial with logging scale as an update.</p>
<p>The standard Scott Speaker might be either a 12 inch or a 15 inch, silver crackle paint and a Scott decal with plug that fits one of the sockets on the amp. Does your speaker have a silver 7 pin plug or an octal style 8 pin plug?</p>