philharmionic bezel spring - EH Scott Radio Enthusiasts2024-03-28T14:30:54Zhttps://ehscott.ning.com/forum/topics/philharmionic-bezel-wire?commentId=3925821%3AComment%3A93581&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHi Mike,
I was wondering if y…tag:ehscott.ning.com,2021-04-10:3925821:Comment:1173952021-04-10T19:31:09.011ZScott Dicksonhttps://ehscott.ning.com/profile/ScottDickson
<p>Hi Mike,</p>
<p>I was wondering if you had any success in reproducing a dial bezel or eschuteon for a Philharmonic? I hope so. </p>
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<p>Let me know when you can. Thanks so much.</p>
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<p>Scott Dickson </p>
<p>Hi Mike,</p>
<p>I was wondering if you had any success in reproducing a dial bezel or eschuteon for a Philharmonic? I hope so. </p>
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<p>Let me know when you can. Thanks so much.</p>
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<p>Scott Dickson </p> Knowing your past experience…tag:ehscott.ning.com,2021-01-12:3925821:Comment:935902021-01-12T23:38:58.610ZThomas Dayhttps://ehscott.ning.com/profile/ThomasDay
Knowing your past experience with electro-forming, I would expect nothing less than perfection. Seriously, this looks like a very interesting way to make replacements for parts that are not available any longer.<br />
Hope it all turns out.<br />
Thom
Knowing your past experience with electro-forming, I would expect nothing less than perfection. Seriously, this looks like a very interesting way to make replacements for parts that are not available any longer.<br />
Hope it all turns out.<br />
Thom Nice job Scott,
Thanks for th…tag:ehscott.ning.com,2021-01-12:3925821:Comment:937132021-01-12T07:55:07.814Zmike hadleyhttps://ehscott.ning.com/profile/mikehadley
<p>Nice job Scott,</p>
<p>Thanks for the update, it's worth noting that there are two different sizes of spring, </p>
<p>120 thou for the larger size and 92 thou for the smaller,</p>
<p>I have made a mold, to see if I can electroform one, here are a couple of photo's…</p>
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<p>Nice job Scott,</p>
<p>Thanks for the update, it's worth noting that there are two different sizes of spring, </p>
<p>120 thou for the larger size and 92 thou for the smaller,</p>
<p>I have made a mold, to see if I can electroform one, here are a couple of photo's</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/8414778453?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/8414778453?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/8414778301?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/8414778301?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a>This may or may not work, but as these bezels are now a rare find it's worth a try.</p>
<p>Mike</p> Mike,
I got some 0.092" strin…tag:ehscott.ning.com,2021-01-12:3925821:Comment:935012021-01-12T01:28:23.142ZScott Seickelhttps://ehscott.ning.com/profile/ScottSeickel
<p>Mike,</p>
<p>I got some 0.092" strings today. I was able to find then in an online store that sold single stings. Slightly smaller than the originals that I measured, but they still fit good. I got both of my escutcheons that needed them done. The one escutcheon had the glass glued in and the escutcheon was glued to the cabinet. It took a lot of work with an Xacto knife to remove the escutcheon from the cabinet and then the glass from the escutcheon. Now I need to try to replicate the…</p>
<p>Mike,</p>
<p>I got some 0.092" strings today. I was able to find then in an online store that sold single stings. Slightly smaller than the originals that I measured, but they still fit good. I got both of my escutcheons that needed them done. The one escutcheon had the glass glued in and the escutcheon was glued to the cabinet. It took a lot of work with an Xacto knife to remove the escutcheon from the cabinet and then the glass from the escutcheon. Now I need to try to replicate the inside retainer spring. </p>
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<p></p> Hi Mike,
I'm Scott Dickson fr…tag:ehscott.ning.com,2021-01-11:3925821:Comment:935812021-01-11T18:15:30.506ZScott Dicksonhttps://ehscott.ning.com/profile/ScottDickson
<p>Hi Mike,</p>
<p>I'm Scott Dickson from Bakersfield, CA in the US. Norman Braithwaite told me about you. He said you might be looking into a reproduction bezel for the Philharmonic. If you are, I would be interested in one. I have a faceplate with the original glass but no bezel/eschuteon or spring. </p>
<p>By the way, great Idea on using a bass guitar string!</p>
<p>Please keep me in mind if you do find a way to reproduce the bezel. Thanks so much!</p>
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<p>Scott Dickson</p>
<p>Hi Mike,</p>
<p>I'm Scott Dickson from Bakersfield, CA in the US. Norman Braithwaite told me about you. He said you might be looking into a reproduction bezel for the Philharmonic. If you are, I would be interested in one. I have a faceplate with the original glass but no bezel/eschuteon or spring. </p>
<p>By the way, great Idea on using a bass guitar string!</p>
<p>Please keep me in mind if you do find a way to reproduce the bezel. Thanks so much!</p>
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<p>Scott Dickson</p> The phosphor bronze strings a…tag:ehscott.ning.com,2020-12-26:3925821:Comment:930472020-12-26T16:24:25.382ZScott Seickelhttps://ehscott.ning.com/profile/ScottSeickel
<p>The phosphor bronze strings are expensive. I might have to buy a set and just pull out the size I need. Looking at like $22 for a set, and I have 2 dials to do...</p>
<p>It looks like 0.095" is a more common size to be included in a set. I have not found any sets with a 0.090" string. I don't think 2 thousands is going to be a big deal here. I do wonder if the escutcheons with the larger retainer spring have a wider groove? Seems like they would as there is no way I can get that 0.125"…</p>
<p>The phosphor bronze strings are expensive. I might have to buy a set and just pull out the size I need. Looking at like $22 for a set, and I have 2 dials to do...</p>
<p>It looks like 0.095" is a more common size to be included in a set. I have not found any sets with a 0.090" string. I don't think 2 thousands is going to be a big deal here. I do wonder if the escutcheons with the larger retainer spring have a wider groove? Seems like they would as there is no way I can get that 0.125" string to go into that groove in any way that it would actually stay. Anyway, I am NOT pulling the retainer out of my escutcheon that has the larger size to see if there are any physical differences in the escutcheon. That set is sold and awaiting pickup. </p>
<p>Also, it looks like the larger retainer is made out of steel, and the smaller ones are made out of a bronze like material. </p>
<p>I thank you for this bass guitar string idea and will post pics of my escutcheon when I get it done. </p> Scott,
Thanks for measuring y…tag:ehscott.ning.com,2020-12-26:3925821:Comment:930462020-12-26T15:55:53.141Zmike hadleyhttps://ehscott.ning.com/profile/mikehadley
<p>Scott,</p>
<p>Thanks for measuring your glass retaining spring, luckily the difference between springs is quite obvious,</p>
<p>looking at the measurement, I would go for a 90 thou one rather than a 95 because the smaller string would fit in the groove better</p>
<p>thanks for pointing out the difference for me.</p>
<p>Scott,</p>
<p>Thanks for measuring your glass retaining spring, luckily the difference between springs is quite obvious,</p>
<p>looking at the measurement, I would go for a 90 thou one rather than a 95 because the smaller string would fit in the groove better</p>
<p>thanks for pointing out the difference for me.</p> Mike, I don't think this is S…tag:ehscott.ning.com,2020-12-26:3925821:Comment:930452020-12-26T14:52:04.969ZScott Seickelhttps://ehscott.ning.com/profile/ScottSeickel
<p>Mike, I don't think this is Scott's custom building. I am sure that he just purchased these and they were not made in house. And yes, more than one size retainer will fit- within limits. It is obvious to me now that there were at least 2 different basic sizes. There is no way that the larger one (0.125") is going to fit in the escutcheon I have that needs one. It just doesn't make it down into the groove.</p>
<p>So I popped the retainer out of one of my other escutcheons and measured it…</p>
<p>Mike, I don't think this is Scott's custom building. I am sure that he just purchased these and they were not made in house. And yes, more than one size retainer will fit- within limits. It is obvious to me now that there were at least 2 different basic sizes. There is no way that the larger one (0.125") is going to fit in the escutcheon I have that needs one. It just doesn't make it down into the groove.</p>
<p>So I popped the retainer out of one of my other escutcheons and measured it at 0.093". </p>
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<p>You can see that it is notably smaller than the larger size retainer:</p>
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<p>Interesting also is that it looks like there was some sort of wax applied between the glass and the escutcheon. I initially thought it was dirt, but it is waxy and it is around the whole perimeter.</p>
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<p>So now I need to find a smaller diameter phosphor bronze guitar string.....</p>
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<p></p> I did a second bezel since th…tag:ehscott.ning.com,2020-12-25:3925821:Comment:932902020-12-25T19:57:42.742Zmike hadleyhttps://ehscott.ning.com/profile/mikehadley
<p>I did a second bezel since this original posting, and I have found that if you place a piece of ribbon between the groove and spring it will aid getting the spring out of the groove durin fitting,</p>
<p>yes Dave, the trick is to get the spring the right length so as it snaps into position, but guitar strings are a lot softer than piano wire, can be cut easily and sanded so as the ends are flat, a small gap of about 1mm is ok</p>
<p>I did a second bezel since this original posting, and I have found that if you place a piece of ribbon between the groove and spring it will aid getting the spring out of the groove durin fitting,</p>
<p>yes Dave, the trick is to get the spring the right length so as it snaps into position, but guitar strings are a lot softer than piano wire, can be cut easily and sanded so as the ends are flat, a small gap of about 1mm is ok</p> Part of the trick has to be t…tag:ehscott.ning.com,2020-12-25:3925821:Comment:930402020-12-25T19:36:56.718ZDavid C. Polandhttps://ehscott.ning.com/profile/DavidCPoland
<p>Part of the trick has to be to get the length just right?</p>
<p>I envision a tight fit where the two ends meet, so it snaps into position, hereby producing outward pressure all around to keep it in position in the groove. </p>
<p>Part of the trick has to be to get the length just right?</p>
<p>I envision a tight fit where the two ends meet, so it snaps into position, hereby producing outward pressure all around to keep it in position in the groove. </p>