Philharmonic (and others): What styles of knobs used and when? (plastic, wood, pinch, metal, etc.) - EH Scott Radio Enthusiasts2024-03-29T07:11:25Zhttps://ehscott.ning.com/forum/topics/philharmonic-knobs-up-to-227-wit-minutes-to-go?xg_source=msg_com_forum&id=3925821%3ATopic%3A70364&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHello all,
My Philly BOL was…tag:ehscott.ning.com,2019-04-09:3925821:Comment:708782019-04-09T00:31:25.072ZDavid Willenborghttps://ehscott.ning.com/profile/DavidWillenborg
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<p>My Philly BOL was an early example according to Mr. King. It has been about two decades since I gave Mr. King the serial number, and I believe he said it was made in the first quarter of 1938. I got it from a family who had received the radio second hand, when there uncle, who owned a repair shop purchased it from a customer. It was never in the hands of a collector, and it is equipped with the metal flippers.</p>
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<p>My Philly BOL was an early example according to Mr. King. It has been about two decades since I gave Mr. King the serial number, and I believe he said it was made in the first quarter of 1938. I got it from a family who had received the radio second hand, when there uncle, who owned a repair shop purchased it from a customer. It was never in the hands of a collector, and it is equipped with the metal flippers.</p>
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<p>David W. </p> Dial pointer, Scott Philharmo…tag:ehscott.ning.com,2019-03-19:3925821:Comment:704132019-03-19T22:31:22.249ZIgor Goliotohttps://ehscott.ning.com/profile/IgorGolioto
<p>Dial pointer, Scott Philharmonic, capacitor on chassis marked Aug 17 1937, the set has the two metal lever knobs. The set came from the original home, original owners who were not "radio collector/restorers".</p>
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<p>Igor</p>
<p>Dial pointer, Scott Philharmonic, capacitor on chassis marked Aug 17 1937, the set has the two metal lever knobs. The set came from the original home, original owners who were not "radio collector/restorers".</p>
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<p>Igor</p> My Philharmonic 30 Pointer di…tag:ehscott.ning.com,2019-03-18:3925821:Comment:701112019-03-18T16:40:50.552ZAngelohttps://ehscott.ning.com/profile/Angelo
<p>My Philharmonic 30 Pointer dial; has 2 cast knobs that came with it ,and plastic knobs that slide on.Have owned it since 1978...</p>
<p>My Philharmonic 30 Pointer dial; has 2 cast knobs that came with it ,and plastic knobs that slide on.Have owned it since 1978...</p> Hi Dave,
Can you send me a co…tag:ehscott.ning.com,2019-03-15:3925821:Comment:701012019-03-15T03:21:19.532ZJohn T. Meredithhttps://ehscott.ning.com/profile/JohntMeredithMDFACEP
<p>Hi Dave,</p>
<p>Can you send me a copy of that 16 page brochure? I do not think I have seen this one. I have the SN for Dec 1937. Or, can this brochure be added to the information archive?</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>John Meredith</p>
<p>Hi Dave,</p>
<p>Can you send me a copy of that 16 page brochure? I do not think I have seen this one. I have the SN for Dec 1937. Or, can this brochure be added to the information archive?</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>John Meredith</p> I have seen only wood "S" kno…tag:ehscott.ning.com,2019-03-15:3925821:Comment:702852019-03-15T03:03:26.520ZDavid C. Polandhttps://ehscott.ning.com/profile/DavidCPoland
<p>I have seen only wood "S" knobs on the Super 12, Scott 14 tube Masterpiece, Phantom models and 1942 Scott Laureate. I have only seen the brown plastic on the Scott 16 of 1937-8. I have or have had several of these models and seen a number of them at Estes Auction over the past 20 plus years.</p>
<p>Repo cast knobs for the Philharmonic were produced in the mid 1990's by the now defunct EHS Historical Society at which time we knew a lot less about about Scott radios. That is over 20 years ago…</p>
<p>I have seen only wood "S" knobs on the Super 12, Scott 14 tube Masterpiece, Phantom models and 1942 Scott Laureate. I have only seen the brown plastic on the Scott 16 of 1937-8. I have or have had several of these models and seen a number of them at Estes Auction over the past 20 plus years.</p>
<p>Repo cast knobs for the Philharmonic were produced in the mid 1990's by the now defunct EHS Historical Society at which time we knew a lot less about about Scott radios. That is over 20 years ago and some folks may have purchased them to put on a BOL Philharmonic because they were different. And someone may have scavenged a pair of the cast metal knobs from a rough Philly to put on a better example. Scott took in trades and perhaps knobs were were changed to make them look more up to date like the latest version. We will never know for sure.</p>
<p>Incidentally, Kent King and I both have a 16 page Scott brochure that features the AW-23 Allwave Hi-Fidelity, Philharmonic and Model 16 along with the Scott Autotrope (a 30 record changer) which which places the brochure in late 1937. The Scott Autotrope was featured in the December 1937 Scott News.</p> This is a fascinating thread!…tag:ehscott.ning.com,2019-03-14:3925821:Comment:704022019-03-14T22:07:29.499ZChris Wysonghttps://ehscott.ning.com/profile/ChrisWysong
<p>This is a fascinating thread! My AM/FM Philly appears totally original, even including toned knob escutcheons to match the darker wood. It has wood knobs, and the oval eye tube escutcheons. It makes me think Scott put on whatever the customer wanted.</p>
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<p>This is a fascinating thread! My AM/FM Philly appears totally original, even including toned knob escutcheons to match the darker wood. It has wood knobs, and the oval eye tube escutcheons. It makes me think Scott put on whatever the customer wanted.</p>
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<p>Chris</p> I just checked my other Phill…tag:ehscott.ning.com,2019-03-14:3925821:Comment:701932019-03-14T19:55:50.472ZY2K Brucehttps://ehscott.ning.com/profile/Bruce
<p>I just checked my other Philly a 9 knob BOM AM/FM. It has plastic knobs and 2 metal chicken heads. The chassis supposedly came out of the Scott sales showroom in Chicago so it may be original knobs but who knows. It does have the Stradivarius on the dial where as my 30 tube pointer has the word Scott at about 200 oclock on a circle in the middle of the dial</p>
<p>I just checked my other Philly a 9 knob BOM AM/FM. It has plastic knobs and 2 metal chicken heads. The chassis supposedly came out of the Scott sales showroom in Chicago so it may be original knobs but who knows. It does have the Stradivarius on the dial where as my 30 tube pointer has the word Scott at about 200 oclock on a circle in the middle of the dial</p> I’m standing behind my earlie…tag:ehscott.ning.com,2019-03-14:3925821:Comment:702812019-03-14T19:33:08.543ZDavehttps://ehscott.ning.com/profile/Dave
<p>I’m standing behind my earlier thread. Most interesting are the years 37, 39. With onset of Philly, there were arguably carry over AW23s in 37, whether by option or typical mfg. attrition, different combos populated shafts. Based on availablilty, I doubt there was intentional “badging” of set’s. Dave’s early Pointer, no exception, those flippers look like ground off 23 castings machined to remove pointer and side attach. Maybe a stretch. Same for picture I supplied with sporting AW…</p>
<p>I’m standing behind my earlier thread. Most interesting are the years 37, 39. With onset of Philly, there were arguably carry over AW23s in 37, whether by option or typical mfg. attrition, different combos populated shafts. Based on availablilty, I doubt there was intentional “badging” of set’s. Dave’s early Pointer, no exception, those flippers look like ground off 23 castings machined to remove pointer and side attach. Maybe a stretch. Same for picture I supplied with sporting AW knobs Coincidence ? Doubt it. If you’re going to use one photo on the one hand than est to not discount the next. Else we source every permutation of dial faces originally constructed, we really are only left with photos. Scott referred to such as “trends”, which implies carryover. </p>
<p>Most interering is the 39 year, best described as late 38 to early 40, when the Pointer morphed to BOL. Photos plastic knobs, key estrucheons and round eye shields. The only definitive support of round estrucheons and square eye shields is with the FM. As with 37, lots going on especially late 39, the dash sported variations due to availability. There’s support, based on findings here, for use of readily available Phantom styled wood knobs, as the BOL went to logging scales late 39 into 40. </p>
<p>Again based on flyers and sales brochures, it appears the 40 FM would provide a defining moment. Plastic with bat wings are depicted as I pictured earlier, but alas, as I and Scott questioned, is the photo at rear of what was a professionally prepared 1940 glossy sales brochure. Here’s the photo to go with one mentioned above. The “mystery” non-strat dial with keyholes and round eye shields. Why would Scott be so careful depicting their new Phantom sets, only to present the 40 Philly with pointer style badging. There could have been such, is it possible the BOL had a non-Strat dial iteration ? I see no pointer or logging under the magnifying glass. Knobs or otherwise, I’m in the camp that “custom” means more than electrical changes, and no year in year out dials look the same.<a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1423375514?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener">232278DE-8C19-460B-8F65-9DA1E88B9C2B.jpeg</a></p> Scott: Good suggestion. Title…tag:ehscott.ning.com,2019-03-14:3925821:Comment:704012019-03-14T13:07:29.255ZKen Carrhttps://ehscott.ning.com/profile/KenCarr
<blockquote cite="http://ehscott.ning.com/forum/topics/philharmonic-knobs-up-to-227-wit-minutes-to-go?id=3925821%3ATopic%3A70364&page=2#3925821Comment70100"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Scott: Good suggestion. Title changed.</p>
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</blockquote> Kent wrote: "About the dial…tag:ehscott.ning.com,2019-03-14:3925821:Comment:701002019-03-14T12:10:04.939ZScott Seickelhttps://ehscott.ning.com/profile/ScottSeickel
<p>Kent wrote: "<em>About the dial in the ad...Scott reused images, sometimes for years. Trusting photos in ads to be from the actual period of the ad is not an assumption I ever make. WE'll probably never complete the timelines as precisely as we'd all hope. "</em></p>
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<p>Thank you for your response Kent. I understand reusing images, but the image I posted could not have been reused. It is a 9 knob Philharmonic with an early pointer dial. By the time the 9 knob unit was out in…</p>
<p>Kent wrote: "<em>About the dial in the ad...Scott reused images, sometimes for years. Trusting photos in ads to be from the actual period of the ad is not an assumption I ever make. WE'll probably never complete the timelines as precisely as we'd all hope. "</em></p>
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<p>Thank you for your response Kent. I understand reusing images, but the image I posted could not have been reused. It is a 9 knob Philharmonic with an early pointer dial. By the time the 9 knob unit was out in Spring 1939, the Stradavarious logo was already established and I doubt they would have gone backwards and actually had dials made with the old logo. Plus, the early dial would not work due to the upper band being different, unless the early dial was redone- in which case you would expect to find a later set or two with the older dial. My thoughts are that the advertising sets, or at least some of them, were nothing more than props put together for the advertising company rather than full working sets. They probably just grabbed parts on hand and put them together for a photo shoot. </p>
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<p>David P- Scott News shows wood knobs on a Super XII as early as 4/39. I have not looked further back. So, the wood knobs were around for the last few years or so. If they were only used later in 1941 I would expect them to be very uncommon, like the very late sets that use Jones plugs. </p>
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<p>John- I like that idea. I think at least part of the problem is that there were a lot of variations and possibilities combined with a certain degree of uncertainty. It would be worth a shot though. </p>
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<p>This is an excellent conversation on knobs/escutcheons. Is it possible that we change the title and edit contents to reflect the information contained herein so people can find this discussion later on? The auction title will leave this exchange of information buried. </p>
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