Serial Numbers

[Kent King]

Folks -

Today I hit a milestone...I added another serial number to my data tables and there are now 1500 unique serial numbers. Of the classic sets, the AW23 is the most common by serial numbers (420). Next is the Philharmonic (276). The set with the fewest serial numbers (besides the Specials) is the Laureate (29).

If any of you have sets with serial numbers that I don't have, please send them along when you can. More numbers better refine the data, allowing good estimates of production numbers and scarcity.

Thanks to everyone that has helped so far!!

Kent

[Angelo]

Kent great work.How did the Allwave 12 Deluxe and Phantom Deluxe AM  come out number wise? Angelo : )

[Victor Buzzetta]

 Kent, here are a couple of new SN's for your data base. I believe the A-601 is a Full Range HiFi (AW23) and the B-652 is a Imperial Allwave 23. I tried to post images of the number plates without success.

Is your data base of SN’s found on the website?

Victor

[Victor Buzzetta]

Here are the images of the SN plate on the two A/W 23's from my previous post.

[Kent King]

Victor -

Thanks, these are new numbers, they fit into the data exactly as expected. I do not post the database here for various reasons. I will be presenting at the Mid-Atlantic Radio Club summer meeting in June....I will be sharing some of this information at that talk.

Kent

[Chris Bowne]

My SLRM is SN 1841

[Ray Ruhlen]

I have the E H Scott radio serial number H294. It is in storage in San Mateo, CA. I have some recent photos of it, I could send  you if you are interested. It was in my family as early as I remember, I was born in 1939 in Providence, R.I. My father bought it, I think there.

Ray Ruhlen

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[Scott Seickel]

Kent,

I picked up 5 Scotts as follows:

AM/FM beam of light Philharmonic in Warrington cabinet.  Nice condition with tweeters and crossover.  GG-448.

AM/FM Phantom in Warrington cabinet with tweeters and crossover.  Fair condition.  SS-347.

Curious, were many Phantoms put in Warrington cabinets?  I just have not seen many.

Philharmonic red dial.  BB-259.  Chassis only.  I am curious as to when the red dial sets were made as they were beam of light.  Were they made during the latter FM days?

And then there are 2 Phantom  chassis sets including amp and 12" speaker. 

Oddly, they are serial numbers EE-445 and EE-446.  Have you seen any consecutive serial number sets together before?

[Kent King]

Scott-

I already had the GG set in my list, all the others were "new" serial numbers. The "red dial" Philly sets are between the early pointer and the FM sets....in Scott literature, they are the Philharmonic Deluxe sets. I can tell you that the one you have was built in October 1939....BB-269 was built on 28-Oct-39. Being 10 earlier during the holiday sales season, it likely was built the 2nd or 3rd week of Oct.

Finally, consecutive numbers: I have several in the database, but they are "chance", reported separately except one case....I have two consecutive Masterpiece sets that were ordered and built at the same time for the same customer. Mine are NN-287 and NN-288. So yes, it is very rare to see consecutive sets like that.

Kent

[Scott Seickel]

Hi Kent. 

So there should be unique schematics for the Philharmonic (dial pointer), the Philharmonic Deluxe (red dial) and the AM/FM?  I assume all Deluxe and AM/FM sets were Beam of Light?

Do you know if the Deluxe schematic is available?  (Riders or elsewhere?)

[Kent King]

Scott -

There is no separate AM/FM schematic. It says in Riders to use the Deluxe diagram (in Riders) and then "add" the FM data from the FM section (also in Riders). So I'm aware of a pointer dial diagram and a Deluxe, which then doubles as the FM set. Does that help?

Kent

[Scott Seickel]

Kent,

I also have a Phantom (AM/FM) that I picked up last summer SS-372.  I don't think I ever gave you that number. 

OK.  So the dial pointer Philharmonic and the red dial Philharmonic cover the same bands and are exactly the same other than the red dial uses the beam of light tuning?

The AM section of the AM/FM Philharmonic has some notable differences past the IF strip.  The early Philly is Riders 14-5, while the AM/FM philly is Riders 14-5. That schematic shows the entire AM/FM set.   That is the one I redrew.  I am thinking about doing the earlier one now and would like to know if there are any variations that I need to know about. 

[Kent King]

Scott -

No, the pointer set and the red band (Deluxe) set are different. And while Riders shows the entire FM set schematic, the AM/SW parts are largely the same as the Deluxe diagram. All that said, Scott made changes to sets throughout their lifetimes and may not have always published revised schematics. We know there are undocumented versions of AW15 sets, for example. I would not be at all surprised to find Philly sets that do not match any known schematic. This will alwways be a challenge for those of us that restore Scott sets.

When I encounter differences, I do several things: First, before hacking away at the circuit, I draw it out and make careful notes about which solder joints appear to be original. I then look at the revision to see if it "makes sense" in the set. Finally, I will do my repairs and if possible, test the modified circuit.

A long time ago, I started an index of known schematics. It got problematic very quickly, and I have not pursued it since then.

Kent