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Jumping the gun as I don't even have the set yet, but I'm in need of the Hi Fi Crossover box to complete my AM/FM Philharmonic that has the optional 4 unit Hi Fidelity speaker system. I have the tweeters, and the woofer, so all I need is the crossover box. Any leads would be appreciated. Ironically about 2 years ago there was one on eBay that I was going to bid on just to have it for the future. Ah well... Thanks, Karl

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David,  

The AM/FM Philharmonic manual I have does show the cable to the receiver, but it also references them as being rectangular plugs (jones plugs), so that makes it the last version.  I am glad that you have a manual that doesn't show the control cable, which means my crossover was used on FM Philharmonics and likely original to my FM chassis that does not have the socket on the rear apron, though this seems to be a very uncommon crossover setup.  

So, can I conclude that there were no AM only sets produced that have the 4 pin socket as it was used to turn the tweeters off on AM?....which leads me to believe that the 4 piece hi-fi option was not available for AM only sets?.....Or, could the crossover without the control cable have been used for AM only sets?   Which leads you to think why would they even offer it on the AM only sets if they were turning off the tweeters in the AM/FM set....The fact that they decided to turn off the tweeters on AM throws a monkey wrench into the whole issue.  Scott definitely made changes to the Philharmonic line as it progressed, but other than the major 7 knob to 9 knob revision, and the AM/FM revision, the changes were all small.

As a side note, I have recently been testing several 15" pedestal speakers and to do so I plug them into my AM/FM set with the hi-fi option.   I think that the 15" flange mount speaker sounds noticeably better than the pedestals.  

Several years ago when I was researching the differences between the AM BOL 9 knob and the AM/FM Philharmonics, I noticed that tweeter switch as well, and thought it odd that Scott would shut off the tweeters in the AM BCB position. SW and Phono, sure, but why BC band? Maybe to highlight the fidelity of FM? I had a Zenith chairside with the FM band and if I recall correctly it switched in a cap to roll off the highs in the AM and SW bands.

David, I'm assuming you want to hang on to the crossover you have on the shelf, but if not, I'd be interested in it.

Scott - the Jones plugs seem to indicate a 1941 Philharmonic, maybe late 1941. The 1941 Laureate introduced mid 1941 had Jones plugs, which mine has. A few years ago, I acquired a re-chromed amp base suitable for either the Phantom or Philharmonic, stamped with large sockets for Jones sockets, and at some point I will likely dispose of it.

I suspect someone will come forward with an AM only Philharmonic BOL with 4 unit high fidelity system and be reasonably sure it is original to the radio .. sometime. After all, Scott being a custom set builder, doubt he would decline an order for the optional speaker system for an AM only model. Also, someone buying the FM tuner for an AM Philharmonic might want to upgrade the speaker system.

Eventually (1941), the standard 15 inch speaker was a flange mount speaker (have such a price list). I had  a 38 ohm flange mount speaker flange mount speaker with output transformer. No easy provision for tweeters, without exposing the terminal strip to access the voice coil terminal screws, which is not customer friendly.

Karl - have not decided about my shelf crossover. It is missing the cable  plug for the amp. It also has an added wire with switch that I have not traced - I suppose to control an auxiliary speaker or to independently control the tweeter. Otherwise, good cosmetics.

Scott - t

This Scott site Archive set folder for Philharmonic includes the FM owners manual which appears same as mine  - without the crossover small cable. Kent has a lot of Scott literature, and probably has the later version manual you have showing the crossover  cable.

Scott -

I'd be interested in getting a copy of the FM Philly manual you have if it is different than the one posted here in the archive. The variations continue to help us track things they did back then. Thanks!!

Kent

Scott Seickel said:

David,  

The AM/FM Philharmonic manual I have does show the cable to the receiver, but it also references them as being rectangular plugs (jones plugs), so that makes it the last version.  I am glad that you have a manual that doesn't show the control cable, which means my crossover was used on FM Philharmonics and likely original to my FM chassis that does not have the socket on the rear apron, though this seems to be a very uncommon crossover setup.  

So, can I conclude that there were no AM only sets produced that have the 4 pin socket as it was used to turn the tweeters off on AM?....which leads me to believe that the 4 piece hi-fi option was not available for AM only sets?.....Or, could the crossover without the control cable have been used for AM only sets?   Which leads you to think why would they even offer it on the AM only sets if they were turning off the tweeters in the AM/FM set....The fact that they decided to turn off the tweeters on AM throws a monkey wrench into the whole issue.  Scott definitely made changes to the Philharmonic line as it progressed, but other than the major 7 knob to 9 knob revision, and the AM/FM revision, the changes were all small.

As a side note, I have recently been testing several 15" pedestal speakers and to do so I plug them into my AM/FM set with the hi-fi option.   I think that the 15" flange mount speaker sounds noticeably better than the pedestals.  

Kent,

My manual is the same as you have in the archives here. 

Thanks for checking. I'm still only aware of that one FM Philly manual.

Scott Seickel said:

Kent,

My manual is the same as you have in the archives here. 

Scott - you said above NOV 6 that your FM Philharmonic manual showed 1) jones plugs and 2) cable to the receiver to control the tweeters. That is the FM Philly owners Instruction Manual for which  Kent seeks a copy.

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My FM Philly owners Instruction Manual on page 3 shows  the 1) crossover and tweeters, 2) early style crossover, 3) NO little cable to the receiver from the crossover, 4) the logging scale at the top of the dial page 10 and 5) three old style round set plugs.

Scott - I stand corrected.

Having just opened the owners Instruction Manual on the Scott site, to refresh myself.

I looked at a lot of Phantom and Philly manuals and Scott News looking for crossover info - guess I forgot exactly what was in the Info Archive.

Kent. - I will make my version early FM Philly manual available to you. 

I would be interested in seeing that manual David.  Hopefully, it can be scanned and uploaded to the site.

Sometime when you come up I'll scan it on my good scanner and make a searchable PDF. Thanks!

Kent

David C. Poland said:

Scott - I stand corrected.

Having just opened the owners Instruction Manual on the Scott site, to refresh myself.

I looked at a lot of Phantom and Philly manuals and Scott News looking for crossover info - guess I forgot exactly what was in the Info Archive.

Kent. - I will make my version early FM Philly manual available to you. 

Scott - my other version of the FM Philharmonic owners manual has been aded to the Philly set folder.

Look at page 3 for the crossover illustration. Otherwise it is almost identical, page for page.

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