The Fine Things are Always Hand Made
Offers on Allwave 23's
Recently two Scott A/W 23 radios became available from the estate of Harold F. Wagner a charter member of the National Radio Club (see bio below). I joined Scott Enthusiasts forum to assess if I would take on such a restoration project. I took advantage of the great archive of Scott News bulletins, photo albums and info posts on the forums. I thank you all for taking the time to collect this information in one site. I have poured over the information the couple of weeks and have decided to not take on either of the radios as a project. In my opinion either of there two radios would require an extensive restoration effort beyond my capabilities or resources.
I have explained to the owner that the Scotts are important to historical radio community and belong in the hands of restorers, collectors or enthusiasts like his father was.
The owner would like to see these radios put these back into service or put to good use. I have recommended to the owner to offer these radios to members of your group before others. I have been asked to find the right hands to put them in and solicit offers.
The first of the two radios is a Scott Full Range High Fidelity 7 knob Allwave 23 chassis with original wood face plate, power supply and speaker. The power supply appears to have some upgrades. The speaker has some damaged diaphragm and missing the duct cover on voice coil. The radio is not operational but appears to be all there. My guess is the condition is fair to good.
The second is a Scott Imperial Allwave 23, 7 knob chassis with a hardboard face plate, power supply, speaker and cables. The power supply appears in disrepair and stored in the process of a repair or upgrade of electrical components. The speaker has significant damaged to diaphragm. My guess is the condition on the receiver is fair to good and the power supply is poor.
No attempt has been made to power up either radio for the obvious reasons. None of the tubes or other components has been tested. I assumed that neither radio is operational. There are operator manuals for both radios along with other Scott information found with the radios.
If there is any interest from any member, I have provided a link to Photobucket to view photos of radios, also I will try to provide detailed cosmetic descriptions and answer questions if needed. Please private email me a cobarrin@q.com if interested.
http://s1322.photobucket.com/user/Vbuzz88/library/Radios/Scott%20Al...
http://s1322.photobucket.com/user/Vbuzz88/library/Radios/Scott%20Im...
Bio for Harold F. Wagner’s
Harold was born in Erie PA in 1916. He became interested in radios at an early age and was a charter member of the National Radio Club. He was the secretary of the National Radio Club for many years and published the month newsletter. He moved to Lake City PA after WWII. He resigned as the NRC secretary in 1959 to move to Colorado where the Wagner family settled in Longmont CO in February 1960. Harold was killed in an auto accident while traveling to the NRC annual meeting at Indianapolis on Aug. 31, 1962. Harold purchased the Scott radio receivers before the WWII. These radios were stored in his Colorado home’s radio room since that time (in Longmont Colorado).
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Permalink Reply by Norman S Braithwaite on
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One of those power supplies has a set of output tubes that are highly collectable. If the owner is interested in maintaining the integrity of the chassis sets, they should consider removing or swapping the output tubes of that chassis. Otherwise there is a high risk of the chassis set being purchased and parted out by someone interested in the collectable tubes only.
Norman
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Permalink Reply by Victor Buzzetta on
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Thanks Norman for pointing that out. I understand the point you are making. How much value do you think the output tubes contribute to the overall value of the receiver and power supply?
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Permalink Reply by Kent King on
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Victor - Both of these sets are quite restorable...the chrome is at or above average, nothing critical is missing. Norman is correct, the output tubes are always valuable, but the ones in the one set are unusual and even more valuable. How does the family want to price these? Do they want to entertain offers or do they have a price in mind? I have no doubt that some of the members here would be very interested and would be able to see these sets nicely restored. Let us know a little more....I will gladly do what I can to help you find a good home for these sets. I might be interested in one of them myself, one of the sets that I have in a cabinet isn't in the best condition, and one of these might make a much nicer set for my own collection.
Kent
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Potentially $1000 but this depends greatly on the version and condition of the tubes. If added to the value of the chassis set it is very likely that anyone who may be seriously interested in the chassis set will be priced out of the market. The converse is also true. Therefore, the best approach for preserving the chassis set is to offer the chassis without the output tubes or to swap the tubes before offering.
Norman
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Kent King said:Victor - Both of these sets are quite restorable...the chrome is at or above average, nothing critical is missing. Norman is correct, the output tubes are always valuable, but the ones in the one set are unusual and even more valuable. How does the family want to price these? Do they want to entertain offers or do they have a price in mind? I have no doubt that some of the members here would be very interested and would be able to see these sets nicely restored. Let us know a little more....I will gladly do what I can to help you find a good home for these sets. I might be interested in one of them myself, one of the sets that I have in a cabinet isn't in the best condition, and one of these might make a much nicer set for my own collection.
Kent
Kent- The family is looking for offers on each chassis set at this time. They are not in any rush and are preoccupied with personal things that require the immediate attention. As I mentioned, the family would like these radios put back into operation for someone to enjoy. I can’t find a better place that this forum to do that. I can relay any offers to them as they do not have access to the internet at this time. I’ll do my best to provide information as needed. I’m not a stakeholder in the radios and only want to see the family gets a fair shake and put the radios in the right hands. Any help will be appreciated.
Victor
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Permalink Reply by David C. Poland on
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Looking at the photos of the amps in both groups of pictures, I think both amps have flat plate version 2A3's. -Dave
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Norman - I understand. I'll have to remove the outputs tubes and verify if they are 2A3 flat plate versions. I'll consider getting them tested with a reliable tube tested (and test tech) for strength and balance of the set. I'm assuming all four tubes were selected for matching outputs at one time. If they are good it would make sense then to sell the tubes independent from the power supply and offer the power supplies without tubes due to their potential value. I'll have to run this by the owner first. Thanks,
Victor
Norman S Braithwaite said:Potentially $1000 but this depends greatly on the version and condition of the tubes. If added to the value of the chassis set it is very likely that anyone who may be seriously interested in the chassis set will be priced out of the market. The converse is also true. Therefore, the best approach for preserving the chassis set is to offer the chassis without the output tubes or to swap the tubes before offering.
Norman
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Hi Dave - Thanks for the response. I'll take a look in the morning on what outputs tubes are in both power amps if I can get access to the radios.Victor
David C. Poland said:Looking at the photos of the amps in both groups of pictures, I think both amps have flat plate version 2A3's. -Dave
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Victor - I agree with Norman and Dave....selling the sets without the output tubes will devalue them a bit, but the risk that someone would buy the sets just for the tubes and then "part out" the set is very great. Another possibility is to sell the scarce output tubes and use a portion of the money to obtain some of the more "common" 2A3 tubes to refit the sets.
Another question...can the sets be packed and shipped. If you are seeking local buyers, that is going to really limit the opportunities.
Kent
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Kent- I talked with the owner this morning and got another look at the power amp tubes and got a few images. I'll post them to Photobucket and a link here when I get a chance.
The power Amp pictured online with the Imperial AW23 has 2a3 dual plate tubes, two are Sylvania and two are Ken-Rad.
The power amp picture with the Full Range AW 23 has four single plate tubes, two are Arcturus and two are RCA (Cunningham Radiotron).
I agree with you and Norman on logic of separating the tubes and made that very clear to the owner this morning. I mentioned that buying a radio set without knowing the condition of the potential high value tube set effects the offer price and parting out the tubes will more likely get his desired results for some to restore the radios and yield more money him. Having said that, his decision is to sell the sets as-is with the tubes. He understands what you are recommending. He commented that the new owner could sell off valued tubes and use that money to replace them with more common tubes and use any excess to restore the chassis.
If someone cares to place a value of a chassis set and speaker without the scare tubes or with a more common replacement tubes set it would help. You can personal email me directly with that info if that helps. I have a sense of the potential tube values from what Norman has said and from what I have seen sold online for tested, individual 2a3 single plate tubes.
As for shipping the radios can be shipped at the buyers cost. I will help with that effort and will need to get detailed instructions from the buyer on the packing requirements and shipping method.
Hope that helps.
Victor
Kent King said:Victor - I agree with Norman and Dave....selling the sets without the output tubes will devalue them a bit, but the risk that someone would buy the sets just for the tubes and then "part out" the set is very great. Another possibility is to sell the scarce output tubes and use a portion of the money to obtain some of the more "common" 2A3 tubes to refit the sets.
Another question...can the sets be packed and shipped. If you are seeking local buyers, that is going to really limit the opportunities.
Kent
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Dave - Here are links to a few close-up images of a few of the output tubes from both power amps, Victor
Full Range Power Amp Output Tubes
http://s1322.photobucket.com/user/Vbuzz88/library/Radios/2a3%20Tube...
Imperial Power Amp Output Tubes
http://s1322.photobucket.com/user/Vbuzz88/library/Radios/2a3%20Tube...
Victor Buzzetta said:Looking at the photos of the amps in both groups of pictures, I think both amps have flat plate version 2A3's. -Dave
Hi Dave - Thanks for the response. I'll take a look in the morning on what outputs tubes are in both power amps if I can get access to the radios.Victor
David C. Poland said:
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